Comments on: The Results Are In http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/ Courtney Complaining About a Coffeeshop, a College Career, and Canines Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:33:58 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: JimPanzee http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-180 JimPanzee Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:12:39 +0000 http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-180 Your commentary here is sweeping but more-or-less reflects my own views. Just keep in mind that Ballard and other city Republicans didn't do anything for or against Iraq nor will they come out in opposition or in support of socialized medicine because they are local not national politicians. Most city government really exists below party lines and stays in the pockets of the machines which have party names but don't abide by party politics. The most accurate stuff you said was in the response to Jay...who made some pretty good points himself... Your reasonableness in regard to "career politicians" is to be commended too. A lot of people write off career politicians as if there were any other kind. Ballard is hardly an anomaly jumping from no previously held elected official up to mayor, although it might seem strange that his city is the 10th, 12th, or 14th largest city in the country (depending on how you measure.) Yeah, poor ol BP lost because people in Indy don't know who to be angry at. The Democrat that acts like a Republican that didn't raise their taxes or the city council that also didn't raise their taxes. Now they have a mayor _and_ a city-council certain to make a whole lot of things a whole lot worse for whole lot of people but that's OK because they can just blame the Democratic governor...uh oh. Golly when the Republicans get rid of all the Democrats who are they gonna blame for the shit they fuck up? Expect better things in two and four years. Your commentary here is sweeping but more-or-less reflects my own views. Just keep in mind that Ballard and other city Republicans didn’t do anything for or against Iraq nor will they come out in opposition or in support of socialized medicine because they are local not national politicians. Most city government really exists below party lines and stays in the pockets of the machines which have party names but don’t abide by party politics. The most accurate stuff you said was in the response to Jay…who made some pretty good points himself…

Your reasonableness in regard to “career politicians” is to be commended too. A lot of people write off career politicians as if there were any other kind. Ballard is hardly an anomaly jumping from no previously held elected official up to mayor, although it might seem strange that his city is the 10th, 12th, or 14th largest city in the country (depending on how you measure.)

Yeah, poor ol BP lost because people in Indy don’t know who to be angry at. The Democrat that acts like a Republican that didn’t raise their taxes or the city council that also didn’t raise their taxes. Now they have a mayor _and_ a city-council certain to make a whole lot of things a whole lot worse for whole lot of people but that’s OK because they can just blame the Democratic governor…uh oh. Golly when the Republicans get rid of all the Democrats who are they gonna blame for the shit they fuck up?

Expect better things in two and four years.

]]> By: Melody http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-173 Melody Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:52:06 +0000 http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-173 "I think I would rather have a Dem in office who occasionally acts like a Republican than a Republican who *always* acts like one." Me too. "More honest" is not as good as just plain "honest," but I'll take it over deceptive and kinda scroogey any time. “I think I would rather have a Dem in office who occasionally acts like a Republican than a Republican who *always* acts like one.”

Me too. “More honest” is not as good as just plain “honest,” but I’ll take it over deceptive and kinda scroogey any time.

]]> By: Jay http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-172 Jay Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:04:04 +0000 http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-172 I hate both parties, so I'm going to be quiet now. I hate both parties, so I’m going to be quiet now.

]]> By: missanthropy http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-171 missanthropy Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:57:46 +0000 http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-171 Jay; I understand what you're saying but I don't think I was as clear as I could have been. My issue is that this election was *strictly* about property taxes for the voters and they forgot about anything else. A career politician is not my favorite kind of person and that's not at all what I was promoting. Not having any experience working in politics means not knowing how to go through proper channels and get these things done he's promised. That's all I meant. Peterson was already working on the tax issue and ran into problems. People who get elected as Republicans (in situations like this) do so by convincing the voters they will be able to make a change. They use that single issue to further their own, more conservative, agenda, and end up changing things to suit themselves and put money in their and their colleagues' pockets. While I admit I know very little about Bart Peterson or Greg Ballard, I do know Ballard is a social conservative and a career Marine, two things that tell me he's not going to do much to help "the little guy." I think I would rather have a Dem in office who occasionally acts like a Republican than a Republican who *always* acts like one. Whether Ballard can fix these property tax problems people are so upset about, I know the Republicans now control the entire state and our capital city, not to mention multiple other small towns throughout and we've lost any possibility of checks and balances. When Mitch and Ballard and these guys get together with Bosma and try to institute another Constitutional ban on gay marriage, I can't say I'll be shocked, but I'll do whatever I can to keep it from happening. Jay; I understand what you’re saying but I don’t think I was as clear as I could have been. My issue is that this election was *strictly* about property taxes for the voters and they forgot about anything else.

A career politician is not my favorite kind of person and that’s not at all what I was promoting. Not having any experience working in politics means not knowing how to go through proper channels and get these things done he’s promised. That’s all I meant. Peterson was already working on the tax issue and ran into problems.

People who get elected as Republicans (in situations like this) do so by convincing the voters they will be able to make a change. They use that single issue to further their own, more conservative, agenda, and end up changing things to suit themselves and put money in their and their colleagues’ pockets. While I admit I know very little about Bart Peterson or Greg Ballard, I do know Ballard is a social conservative and a career Marine, two things that tell me he’s not going to do much to help “the little guy.”

I think I would rather have a Dem in office who occasionally acts like a Republican than a Republican who *always* acts like one. Whether Ballard can fix these property tax problems people are so upset about, I know the Republicans now control the entire state and our capital city, not to mention multiple other small towns throughout and we’ve lost any possibility of checks and balances. When Mitch and Ballard and these guys get together with Bosma and try to institute another Constitutional ban on gay marriage, I can’t say I’ll be shocked, but I’ll do whatever I can to keep it from happening.

]]> By: Melody http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-169 Melody Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:45:01 +0000 http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-169 This is a lovely and well-thought out post. I was trying to explain to Eric yesterday what makes a Republican and what makes a Democrat, but when you go by the old stand-by definitions the parties have for themselves, it just comes out sounding ridiculous because when in my lifetime has the Republican party actually lived up to "the party of fiscal responsibilty"? If you don't mind, I will share this with him, although probably just cut and pasted into an e-mail because I don't want to send him to your site to find a link to our blog. Not ready for that just yet. BTW, disgruntled property tax payers of Indy, since when does the mayor set your property taxes? That's a state legislature decision. Poor Bart-- blame the f'ing stadium on him. I'm with you there, but don't blame him because your damn property taxes went up. This is a lovely and well-thought out post. I was trying to explain to Eric yesterday what makes a Republican and what makes a Democrat, but when you go by the old stand-by definitions the parties have for themselves, it just comes out sounding ridiculous because when in my lifetime has the Republican party actually lived up to “the party of fiscal responsibilty”? If you don’t mind, I will share this with him, although probably just cut and pasted into an e-mail because I don’t want to send him to your site to find a link to our blog. Not ready for that just yet.

BTW, disgruntled property tax payers of Indy, since when does the mayor set your property taxes? That’s a state legislature decision. Poor Bart– blame the f’ing stadium on him. I’m with you there, but don’t blame him because your damn property taxes went up.

]]> By: Jay http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-168 Jay Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:22:10 +0000 http://missanthropy.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-results-are-in/#comment-168 What's wrong with someone running that's not a career politician? Personally speaking, with so many career politicians running our lives, change can never happen. Ballard might be some rich guy, but so is Peterson, and right or wrong, Peterson has acted like a Republican for many years giving away money and taxes to corporations that don't need them. My friends overseas so no real difference between Dems and Repubs because they all act very similarly once elected. Hillary is in the pocket of Lilly, for example. Think she's going to fix healthcare? Sadly, we don't have good choices these days. Scott and I voted against a Dem on the council because she voted against the HRO. In my eyes, Dems are no worse or better than Repubs. They are politicians, and therefore, suspect. What’s wrong with someone running that’s not a career politician? Personally speaking, with so many career politicians running our lives, change can never happen. Ballard might be some rich guy, but so is Peterson, and right or wrong, Peterson has acted like a Republican for many years giving away money and taxes to corporations that don’t need them.
My friends overseas so no real difference between Dems and Repubs because they all act very similarly once elected. Hillary is in the pocket of Lilly, for example. Think she’s going to fix healthcare?
Sadly, we don’t have good choices these days.
Scott and I voted against a Dem on the council because she voted against the HRO. In my eyes, Dems are no worse or better than Repubs. They are politicians, and therefore, suspect.

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